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这个HYIP的故事是真的吗?






一个叫金陈波的人,传说此人是我们党派到香港来盯香港金融市场的,不过网上查不到这个人,他说有个东西叫HYIP,全称是High Yield Investment Programs,俗称是好像是Rolling Instrument还是Rolling Investment来着…反正我两个都查了查不到。

这个HYIP使用的基本工具就是美国国债+Top25Banking的银行票据,然后应该就是Leveraged过,金陈波当时说了一句话夹杂着粤语和英语:”黎个回报率 at least 100% per week”。简单讲就叫无风险超高回报…

接下来他说目前没有任何中国境内资金参与运作,然后后来说其实是有的,朱镕基手下的王雪冰在纽约时,曾经在中央的默许下参与了这个无风险超高回报的Program,因为王的一个客户姓周,周具有这个Program的入场资格,而资金顺序是中行-王雪冰-周-HYIP。当时HYIP的规定是银行、基金、国营、政府都不能做,只有私营企业、私人可以做,入场费是1亿美刀。王雪冰时任中行纽约分行总经理,1993年任中行行长,2000年任建行行长,2003年涉嫌贪污入狱12年。

其实这个故事的隐情应该是,王雪冰通过其客户周,取得入场资格后,动用中行的1000万撬动了10亿美刀回来抹平了中行当时的很多坏账和亏损。这个直接帮助了王雪冰由中行纽约分行空降到中行做副行长进而行长。而后王雪冰的贪污入狱估计也应该是些斗争的结果吧。[premier朱提拔的刘金宝(原中银香港总裁)、朱小华(前光大集团董事长)、王雪冰(前建设银行行长)、梁小庭(原中银香港副总经理)、李福祥(原国家外汇管理局局长)等全部因为经济问题入狱或者突然死亡。

说回来,中央对HYIP一直的态度基本是”不宣传,不鼓动”。金先生当时给我们讲了一个完整的几乎无风险(唯一风险就是美国国债,如果这算风险的话)的超高收益的运转流程例子,本金1亿,经过40个星期后净收益5.2亿的例子。可惜我当时学识不精,记录的有好多疏漏,现在自己再从头看已经有很多看不明白了。

对了,这其中穿插了一个LTP(Leveraged Trading Progams),我记得不是很细,大概意思是LTP和HYIP的性质类似或者是是其构成的一部分?LTP是85年-90年左右的样子后引入中国的(引入人是沈某某【赵.紫.阳的金融顾问】,沈某某认识当时Moody[就是大名鼎鼎的穆迪啦]的CEO John.C.W于是和John一起来中国把LTP介绍给了当时中央高层,这大概就引出了我前面讲的王雪冰用1000万撬动了10亿美刀回来抹平了中行当时的很多坏账和亏损的事情了)

我的笔记本还记着这样的话,已经不记得是不是金先生讲的了:银行玩弄票据,美国是最大的负债国,美国在用全世界借来的钱建立最强大的国家与军事。这个游戏总有一天会玩空。

我们说回来,在金融危机的情境下,我们要抛美国国债还是去大举购买?答案是:中国反而要大量购买美国国债。通过继续购买美国国债帮助美国金融市场尽快恢复,维持美元稳定,整体上将有助于他国外汇储备避免损失。而如果突然大幅减持的话,会造成美元急剧贬值,会对外汇储备美元的国家更不利。所以,在很多情境下,购买美国国债是一种无奈的最佳选择。

最后说一句:按照金先生的理论。HYIP是项目本身无风险,风险只在于你能不能找到正确的入场人。所以你可以召集N多人(这就是私募,早期的HYIP),然后有1亿美刀的证明,就可以入场玩这个没风险的滚钱游戏。金先生说,至于1亿美刀资金证明这个造假很简单的。然后很风趣的还在小板上给画了一个HSBC开的资金证明的大概的样子。

文中说的如果是事实,那应该是HYIP早期的雏形,现在的HYIP估计是那时的变种,已经不一样了。



The story of this HYIP is that true?

A man called Kim Chen bo, legend has it that this person is our party to come to Hong Kong at Hong Kong's financial markets, but the Internet is less than the man, he said there is something called HYIP, full name is the High Yield Investment designed, commonly known as is like Rolling Instrument or Rolling Investment did... Anyway, I checked both less than.

This HYIP using basic tools is Treasury + Top25Banking bank notes, then should be Leveraged, Kim Chen bo said at the time a words mingled with the cantonese and English: "li a return at further 100% per week". Short call no risk high return...

Then he said there is no money involved in operation in China, and then later said there was, zhu's xue-bing wang in New York, once under the acquiescence of the involved in the Program without risk high return, because the king of a customer surnamed zhou, weeks with the Program's admission qualification, and the order of the money is the bank of China - xue-bing wang - week - HYIP. When the rules of the HYIP is that Banks, fund, public, government can do, only private enterprises, private can do, entrance fee is $100 million. Xue-bing wang at the bank of China New York branch general manager, in 1993 the bank of China governor, Ren Jianhang governor in 2000, 2003 suspected of corruption to 12 years in prison.

Actually this story, the story should be xue-bing wang weeks through its customers, after gaining entry, the use of bank of China's 10 million kick-started the $1 billion back with the bank of China at that time a lot of bad debts and losses. This helped xue-bing wang directly by the bank of China New York branch parachuted into the bank of China deputy governor and President. Then estimates of the number of corruption in prison xue-bing wang should also is the result of the struggle. [premier zhu promoted Liu Jinbao (the former President of the bank of China Hong Kong), xiao-hua zhu (former everbright group chairman), xue-bing wang (before the construction bank), Liang Xiaoting (former deputy general manager of boc Hong Kong), the fu-xiang li (former director of state administration of foreign exchange), etc. All because of economic problems in prison or sudden death.

Again, the central government to the HYIP has been the attitude of the basic is not propaganda, "not encouraging". Mr Kim was told us a complete almost risk-free (the only risk is us treasuries, if is this risk, the operation process example of super-high yield, principal of 100 million, after 40 weeks after net income of 520 million examples. It's a pity that I was learning not jing, records many omissions, again from the beginning now see their already many look not to understand.

By the way, the one with the LTP (Leveraged Trading Progams), I remember is not very fine, general meaning is the nature of LTP and HYIP is part of its form is similar or? LTP is the appearance of 85-85 years or so after the introduction of China's (introduction is shen so-and-so "zhao. Purple. Yang financial adviser", shen so-and-so know when Moody/is a famous Moody's CEO John C.W so with John to come to China to introduce LTP to the top at that time, which probably leads to the front of me speak xue-bing wang 10 million kick-started the $1 billion back with the bank of China at that time a lot of bad debts and losses)

Notebook also remember me, already don't remember whether Mr Kim said: playing with paper bank, the United States is the largest debtors, the United States in the use of borrowed money to set up all over the world's most powerful nation and military. The game play will one day be empty.

We say back, under the situation of the financial crisis, let us go to throw us treasuries or purchases? The answer is: China instead to large purchases of us treasuries. By continuing to buy U.S. Treasury bonds to help the U.S. financial markets to recover as soon as possible, to maintain dollar stability, as a whole will help other countries' foreign exchange reserves to avoid a loss. But, if you suddenly 'holdings will cause a sharp dollar depreciation, the foreign exchange reserves of $country worse. So, in many situations, the best choice for purchases of us Treasury bonds is a kind of helpless.


 




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